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he's right. what happened in the summer is the obama campaign brilliantly went out and defined mitt romney. 189 years after he lost that campaign to senator kennedy, he budget ready for those bane adds. i found it inexplicable that he didn't have some kind of come back. i mean mitt romney -- >> bob, you taught him the lesson the first time. bob shrum, have a nice recommend. thank you. and john braburn. >>> up next, congressman louie. what a piece of work he is. he's out there suggesting the obama administration -- how can you repeat this stuff -- is in cahoots with the muslim brotherhood. this is malarkey. malarkey is a good word. love me. ...but most dry foods add plant protein, like gluten iams never adds gluten. iams adds 50% more animal protein, [ dog 2 ] look at me! i'm a lean, mean flying machine [ dog 1 ] i am too! woo hoo! [ male announcer ] iams. with 50% more animal protein. [ dog 2 ] i'm an iams dog for life. not a rabbit. woof! i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups st
he's right. what happened in the summer is the obama campaign brilliantly went out and defined mitt romney. 189 years after he lost that campaign to senator kennedy, he budget ready for those bane adds. i found it inexplicable that he didn't have some kind of come back. i mean mitt romney -- >> bob, you taught him the lesson the first time. bob shrum, have a nice recommend. thank you. and john braburn. >>> up next, congressman louie. what a piece of work he is. he's out there...
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senator reid in 2005 was rallying against and so was a then senator obama. there's enough to go around on both sides. at the end of the day, look, if we're going to examine the issue, examine parts of it, whether we should be arguing this out in the public, you don't do away with an entire filibuster. be done with it though. >> you make a good point about the polarization. the assumption was you'd have overlapping interests. sometimes people would vote by party. other by geography and other by rural versus urban or north versus south but they would overlap. so you would never get -- you can't look and say you got 60. 60 would show up in different formulations. parties have become the dominant. when a party that was of course just the segregationist democrats hanging out with the republicans, when we come back, we'll talk more about this. you know, it really is my sense that progressives keep talking about this. but i think it's about power. i like when progressives are interested in power. many of my patients clean their dentures with toothpaste. i tell them
senator reid in 2005 was rallying against and so was a then senator obama. there's enough to go around on both sides. at the end of the day, look, if we're going to examine the issue, examine parts of it, whether we should be arguing this out in the public, you don't do away with an entire filibuster. be done with it though. >> you make a good point about the polarization. the assumption was you'd have overlapping interests. sometimes people would vote by party. other by geography and...
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right now, i want to start with the story of the week. the tax man cometh. the main thing between president obama and congress over the fiscal curb is the unraveling of the con sen sense. glover nor quis managed to get every single republican running for office from school boards up to president, signing a pledge that reads, i pledge to taxpayers to one, oppose any and all efforts to increase the income tax rates for individuals and or businesses and two, oppose any net reduction or elimination of reductions in credits unless matched dollar for dollar. his pledge has been useful to the republican party for a number of reasons. first, it led the republican party to push tax policies that move hundreds of billions of dollars into the bank accounts of wealthy people. it's also given the central right a single, simple policy objective to pursue, no matter what. a kind of north star for modern conservatism. now, members of congress seem to be losing their way. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge. i will tell you, when i go to the constituent tha
right now, i want to start with the story of the week. the tax man cometh. the main thing between president obama and congress over the fiscal curb is the unraveling of the con sen sense. glover nor quis managed to get every single republican running for office from school boards up to president, signing a pledge that reads, i pledge to taxpayers to one, oppose any and all efforts to increase the income tax rates for individuals and or businesses and two, oppose any net reduction or elimination...
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here's timothy geithner on "meet the press." >> the only thing that stands in the way of a deal right now is if a group of republican members decide they are going to block a deal because they want to extend tax cuts. what you can expect from the and the a willingness to sit down and explore what the best way to get through this is. it's in the interest of the american people. >> that was followed by a fierce response from grover norquist, the man behind the no tax hike pledge embraced by many in the gop. >> every republican who had impure thoughts has to go back to the drawing board. they have just been told there are no real reforms in this budget. $1.6 trillion in tax increases. >> joining me is eleanor cliff and david dreker thank you for being here. so eleanor, we have timothy geithner who says there will be a deal before the end of the year but it doesn't look like anyone is willing to budge. is that your take away? >> i think there's a rhythm to these negotiations. and right now each side is staking out their optimal position. the republicans reportedly laughed at the proposal.
here's timothy geithner on "meet the press." >> the only thing that stands in the way of a deal right now is if a group of republican members decide they are going to block a deal because they want to extend tax cuts. what you can expect from the and the a willingness to sit down and explore what the best way to get through this is. it's in the interest of the american people. >> that was followed by a fierce response from grover norquist, the man behind the no tax hike...
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is that the right strategy for the president? >> well i agree with senator lieberman. i've said that from the beginning. any time i was involved in a negotiation with the legislature over a bill, i got involved. that doesn't necessarily mean that i met with them personally. although often i would but it also meant that i was directing the flow and that my position was out there clearly. >> so why do you think for example that president obama hasn't done that yet? >> well because it worked for them in the first term. it was a key part of getting them re-elected. they never had to stake out difficult positions. but now it's the second term. he doesn't have to get re-elected. he's got to worry about what's good for the country. so i think he should lead, he should get out there and say look, guys, here's what i've seen what senator mcconnell wanted. here's what i'm willing to accept. let's get going. >> and i agree, he has to show that he's going to lead. but at the same time, while he was just re-elected, he is looking towards legacy and he does not want to start his sec
is that the right strategy for the president? >> well i agree with senator lieberman. i've said that from the beginning. any time i was involved in a negotiation with the legislature over a bill, i got involved. that doesn't necessarily mean that i met with them personally. although often i would but it also meant that i was directing the flow and that my position was out there clearly. >> so why do you think for example that president obama hasn't done that yet? >> well...
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tea party two will dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. let's not pretend he isn't pushing us off the cliff. >> maria, the broader question, where is our economy right now as we're tackling this issue? what's the economy doing well? what's it not doing as well? and what will we see over the next four years? >> we are moving at a slow pace. at this point in the recovery, you would expect faster growth, which we are not going. if we go over the cliff, we will go into recession. a couple of industries will feel the hurt more so than others. obviously, defense. and because these are long-term projects, those defense cuts will be felt well into 2013, into 2014. what's doing well? health care is doing well. we're living longer. living until 100 years old. that's a positive. it's not a crisis. it's a positive. so we are in need of 1 million nurses, health care professionals in the coming years. technology doing very well. a lot of start-up technology. innovation going well. that's a positive. manufacturing coming back a bit as well. the auto sect
tea party two will dwarf tea party one if obama pushes us off the cliff. let's not pretend he isn't pushing us off the cliff. >> maria, the broader question, where is our economy right now as we're tackling this issue? what's the economy doing well? what's it not doing as well? and what will we see over the next four years? >> we are moving at a slow pace. at this point in the recovery, you would expect faster growth, which we are not going. if we go over the cliff, we will go into...
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mcconnell gave an offer on friday that was very much on the right. it plays out in the next month, i think people get closer to a deal. lindsey graham, i don't think was saying we'll go over the cliff for sure. he's also posturing himself. that wasn't a comment, that was a posturing move. >> we know one of the most dangerous places is between senator graham and a television camera. give me your headline really quickly, perry. >> my headline is "obama delays vacation but negotiations are continuing and progressing and moving towards a deal." a deal will happen at some point, but obama always has his vacation delayed. i was covering the president a couple years ago and my hawaii trip got delayed a couple days. life went on. >> you were not happy. >> i was, you know, i was not happy, it's true, craig. >> what's your headline, sir? "markets down, party trade blame as fiscal cliff talks fail." >> you're so gloom and doom. >> republicans don't see themselves as unruly kids and don't see obama as a wise principal, contrary to what ari was saying earlier. >>
mcconnell gave an offer on friday that was very much on the right. it plays out in the next month, i think people get closer to a deal. lindsey graham, i don't think was saying we'll go over the cliff for sure. he's also posturing himself. that wasn't a comment, that was a posturing move. >> we know one of the most dangerous places is between senator graham and a television camera. give me your headline really quickly, perry. >> my headline is "obama delays vacation but...